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More from the Finals…

November 3, 2010

Finals word vomit.

  • A lot of Revolver’s success came from how well they kept throwers from putting easy deep shots. Especially in the first half, you often saw Ironside cutters Jeff Graham and Danny Clark getting open deep, but their handlers had to think twice about hitting the deep shot. Rebholz often wound up for it but held it in because the timing was off, and as good as Josh Markette is (honestly, his impact on Ironside’s run can’t be overstated, he seemed to be doing everything right all weekend. Plus, you could really tell how much Chain’s O line missed him), he doesn’t really specialize in hucking from a standstill. Revolver defenders did an excellent job of either stopping upline cuts or being right on their man as he caught the disc, so hucks from power position were tough. A couple of Ironside’s turns were from cutter to cutter (the first was Jeff Graham underthrowing an OI flick to Jim Foster, another other was Clark trying to throw a crossfield flick to a going-away Graham). While other hucking teams did well with cutters hucking to other cutters (Revolver, Doublewide, and Chain), Ironside was best when it dumped and swung and then hit the bomb. Just kind of interesting to think about how Revolver’s pressure took Ironside out of its game.
  • This was the first game where I really saw Sam Kanner’s impact for Revolver. Throughout the season, the Jam guys were huge: Bart Watson and Brian Garcia really balanced out the offense and Taylor Cascino added another top defender. Also, Ashlin Joye and Russell Wynne stuck out a lot on defense, with Joye doing a great job defending the dump and taking care of the disc while Wynne just seemed to never stop running and bidding on D. But with Kanner, even though I knew he was really good, I didn’t quite see how he worked with the team. I guess I was just catching him at the wrong time, because in the Finals v. Ironside, he was a huge part of the defensive offense that won Revolver the game. Later in the second half, Ironside put a little run together by ramping up their downfield D and more or less daring Revolver defenders to huck the disc, and Kanner did a fantastic job of getting open on the dump, distributing to the right guy, and making sure that Revolver was dictating the pace.
  • Speaking of Ironside daring Revolver to huck, I remember Revolver being pinned pretty deep in their own endzone and Kanner and Robbie Cahill swinging the disc patiently while not too much was open downfield. And then Cahill put a backhand huck out on a rope that put his cutter (I think it was John Levy) just outside of the Ironside endzone. One of the more impressive throws I saw this weekend.* Another time, Ironside went straight-up to stop the huck, but Revolver handlers very quickly swung the disc and then hit a wide open Brian Garcia. Ironside didn’t really try it again.
  • On the whole, Ironside’s handlers played really well. Cricket was open everywhere and didn’t turn the disc, Rebholz had it in his hand all the time and didn’t turn it much, and Adam Simon played like more of a true handler than I’ve ever seen while also remaining a threat to go downfield. I do think, though, that they could have switched things up a bit, mostly with the purpose of giving themselves better hucking options. At one point, I remember thinking how much more dangerous they’d be if they had that one guy who could jack it full-field from a standstill. And the thing is, they did. It may have been a roll of the dice, but putting Brandon Malacek in for an offensive point or two might have paid off.
  • Teddy Browar-Jarus from Ironside was really fun to watch in the finals, mostly because of his dump throws. He’s left-handed, and twice when he was forced to throw his backhand, he led the dump with a long upfield IO throw that called for a “wow.” It wasn’t just the typical upfield backhand that you often see thrown as a dump throw, it was more of a crossfield shot that made it as if his man was catching an in cut.
  • Not having George Stubbs really hurt Ironside. He was a big part of their team all season, and he stood out a lot on the D line when I watched them play Sockeye in power pools. Not sure what his injury was.


*The other Revolver toss that falls into this lot was a Bart Watson IO flick huck against Truck Stop in the Quarters. Going downwind, both teams had overthrown a bunch of hucks, but Bart was able to put this one low and out in front while making it float long enough for his receiver to run onto it. Maybe I’ll do a post about the best throws I saw this weekend…

3 Comments leave one →
  1. Nicky permalink
    November 3, 2010 11:13 pm

    I also think one of the tough things for ironside was a short rotation – they seemed to have more or less two lines (one o and one d) and after the o failed twice they put the d-line out on offense in the second half and they scored but then had to play defense tired and looked slow. The offense also seemed exhausted, especially cutters slowing down – definitely due in part to solid defense by Revolver but also maybe due to injuries and short rotation issues for Ironside. I saw Revolver get nearly everyone in (Ponytail, and some other ‘lesser star’ players on D, who did a terrific job of running/sprinting the whole time on d and after the turn – just churning.) I think Cricket played incredibly but was not hit as much as he should have been, and then the timing was off for shots from him, or shots for him, and he always made great throws which moved the disc to the break or up the field for ironside, and even had some great d, but was played too often and became tired towards the end. Revolver always looked fresh, Ironside looked like they wanted subs. I think the wisco Jimmy drop in the endzone really hurt Ironside b/c that was when momentum was starting to build for them in the second half, and that drop kind of killed it.

  2. November 4, 2010 2:44 pm

    That’s really very nice to read!
    Awesome analysis.
    I’m waiting for the best throws you saw this weekend.

  3. neeley permalink*
    November 5, 2010 12:38 pm


    I agree with you in that I thought Ironside came into the game with a pretty set idea of who they were going to play and when, whereas Revolver was more open with lines, especially on D. It’s funny, cause that was exactly what happened last year, except Chain was the loose one while Revolver had a really tight rotation.

    On the Cricket note, I thought he was one of their most consistent players all weekend, he just didn’t have the hucks that they seemed to need. Or at least he wasn’t throwing them. In fact, all of Ironside just seemed a bit too hesitant with their hucks. I kind of assumed that they weren’t a hucking team, but after seeing them early in the tournament, I realized that they actually threw long quite well, it’s just that they only did it at certain times (either a continuation cut off of a swing or in transition after playing defense). But still, point is, they were dangerous this year cause they were great at sending it deep, and they just weren’t willing to do it much in the Finals. And every time they did, it just seemed like their whole sideline tensed up. And that Foster drop definitely stopped whatever momentum they were building, which was too bad.

    It wasn’t their style, but I think mixing up the lines sooner would really have kept Ironside in it against Revolver.

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